Paul Elie: Reinventing Bach

Interview

Friday, October 26, 2012

In the new book Reinventing Bach, Paul Elie explores how performers and recording artists of the last century — including organist Albert Schweitzer, pianist Glenn Gould, and cellist Pablo Casals — kept teasing out the new in Bach's 300-year-old music.

Bach left room for interpretation in his compositions, “working up the music just elaborately enough that it was distinctly itself but could be carried forward by others into places that maybe the composer hadn’t expected,” Elie tells Kurt Andersen. 

He points to Glenn Gould's 1955 recording of Bach's Goldberg Variations as the embodiment of the post-World War II moment. "He's not playing in the way of a Romantic artist with lots of bravado," Elie explains. "There's a detachment, an objectivity, almost a mechanical quality to it that I associate with skyscrapers and jet planes and elevators."

Bonus Track: "Aria" from Bach's Goldberg Variations, Glenn Gould (1955)


Elie calls Bach’s music “shareware,” equally at home on a variety of instruments. “It seems to work its way into different contexts and remain Bach,” Elie explains. “It doesn’t get dumbed down. People don’t have to popularize it. It is what it is, and yet there it is on the soundtrack to Master and Commander or some other movie and it fits perfectly.”

Because so much of Bach’s music had a sacred purpose, Kurt wonders if, as a secular listener, it might be wrong that he loves Bach’s Mass in B Minor for reasons entirely detached from the composer’s religious intentions. “You can’t really say in a few words what religion is,” Elie responds. “But one of the things it does is that it connects people to the past or a sense of the past. Most classical music is old music. When you compound that by hearing a 200-year-old work in a 50-year-old recording, you’re having an experience in a kind of triple time that I think it’s fair to call transcendent.”

Elie doesn’t have a single favorite Bach piece, but lately he keeps coming back to different interpretations of The Well-Tempered Clavier. “I hope this doesn’t sound heretical: you could either give it almost mystical attention or put it on as background or driving music and it seems to work either way.”

    Music Playlist
  1. Two-Part Invention No. 13 (BWV 784) (Instrumental)
    Composer: J.S. Bach
    Artist: Béla Fleck
    Album: Perpetual Motion
    Label: Sony Classical
    Purchase: Amazon
  2. Air from Orchestral Suite No. 3 (Vocal)
    Artist: Yo-Yo Ma and Bobby McFerrin
    Album: Hush
    Label: Sony Classical
    Purchase: Amazon
  3. Mass in B Minor BWV 232, Missa: Kyrie Eleison (Chorus)
    Composer: J.S. Bach
    Artist: Chorus of Colleqium Vocale, Ghent/Orchestra of Colleqium Vocale, Ghent/Philippe Herreweghe
    Album: Bach Mass in B Minor
    Label: EMI Classics
    Purchase: Amazon
  4. Goldberg Variations, BWV 988: Goldberg Variations, BWV 988/Aria (Instrumental)
    Composer: Bach
    Artist: Glenn Gould
    Album: Bach: Goldberg Variations ('55 Mono Recording)
    Label: Sony Classical
    Purchase: Amazon
  5. Cello Suite No. 1 in G BWV1007: Prélude
    Composer: J.S. Bach
    Artist: Pablo Casals
    Album: J.S. Bach: Suites for Cello, 1, 2 & 3
    Label: EMI Classics
    Purchase: Amazon
  6. 'St Matthew Passion' BWV244, Part II: Nr. 78 Chor: Wir Setzen Uns Mit Tränen Nieder (Chor I II/Orchester I II)
    Composer: J.S. Bach
    Artist: Otto Klemperer
    Album: St Matthew Passion - Bach
    Label: EMI Classics
    Purchase: Amazon
  7. The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book 2: Prelude No. 10 in E minor, MWV 879 (arr. P. Blanchette)
    Artist: Peter Blanchette
    Album: Archguitar Duo Recital: Blanchette, Peter / Michelini, Peter - Bach, J.S. / Handel, G.F. / Scarlatti, D. (Archguitar Baroque)
    Label: Sono Luminus
    Purchase: Amazon

Guests:

Paul Elie

Produced by:

Michele Siegel

Comments [8]

SN from Minnesota

Thanks, Marc! That seems to be the one.

Dec. 29 2012 06:23 PM
Marc from Mississippi

I believe the recording SN asked about is a One Voice Per Part performance conducted by Paul McCreesh which was released on a 2 disc set in 2003 on the Archiv Produktion label.

Nov. 13 2012 10:25 PM
Melina from Belmont, MA

I agree with SN from Minnesota! I want that recording too! I was trying to spell out the conductor's name, but couldn't quite catch it in the streaming podcast. Hope we can get a link to it :)

Thanks!

Nov. 01 2012 08:46 AM
Jenny from Studio 360

Hi Jessie --

It's an arrangement by Peter Blanchette -- you can find the recording here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Well-Tempered-Clavier-Book-Blanchette/dp/B0097KX1GO

Enjoy!

Oct. 29 2012 12:00 PM
Jessie from Brooklyn

What is the actual version of the Well-Tempered Clavier that closes out the show? It didn't seem like the Glenn Gould version linked in the article. Please post it -- it was beautiful.

Oct. 28 2012 12:48 PM
Robert from NYC

I heard this fellow interviewed on Leonard Lopate's show last week and I said then he got Bach wrong. He has not reinvented Bach and he does not have the musical background to deal with the subject. He has written a book about Bach as he sees him, I guess you can call that reinventing but I think he sounds very amateurish in his handling of Bach. There are numerous excellent works on Bach that deal with the subject in a much better way and with professional musical and musicological knowledge. I don't buy this guy's handling of Bach and as an organist and Bach player I find his ideas shallow and personal. Now let me say there's nothing wrong with that but I think he's being held up with some of the greater Bach scholars with this book. I haven't read the book but that's because none of these interviews with him about the book inspires me to read it. If I can get a copy free I would look at it.

Oct. 28 2012 11:51 AM
Jenny from Studio 360

Hi SN --

We'll see if we can get that for you -- might not be until Monday (or later, due to the oncoming storm). Thanks for listening so closely!

Oct. 28 2012 10:00 AM
SN from Minnesota

Would like recording details for the newer recording of the St Matthew Passion that Mr Elie mentioned--not seeing that info here anywhere, unless I missed it somehow...Thanks for a great segment!

Oct. 28 2012 09:11 AM

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